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dispuut - gesprek met oplichter

Ik heb vernomen dat ik hier een dispuutgesprek mag posten zo lang ik geen namen vermeld. Hieronder vindt u de ellenlange discussie die ik met de verkoper heb. Ik zal per alinea kort weergeven waar het over gaat zodat u niet alles hoeft te lezen:

1) Mijn bewijs dat het fake is
It took me less than 10 seconds to be 100% sure that this racquet is fake. I have multiple references including this article.
If you compare the images you will see the difference with the blink of an eye:
http://www.regentville.com/2009/09/fake-babolat-aero-pro-drive-tennis.html
Read this article carefully please and then observe my personal notes below
Firstly, the weight distribution is totally out of line which indicates that the racquet is made of a different material than the original. The light material is what makes the original so expensive
If I put my finger in the triangle, the head of the racquet drops.
Original babolat aero pro's are light headed, if you do this with the racquet the head stays slightly above the horizontal. This one drops significantly
Secondly, the T of Babolat of the original is located INSIDE the grommets. This one is located outside and the location of the TM mark is also different (see point 5 of the article!)
Third, the original racquet has SHINING silver letters and this one has DULL letters (See point 2 of the article) I have also compared to a genuine racquet of a friend of mine and I have noticed the difference.
4th, the quality of the grommets is worse than the original
5th, the original has 2 holograms (see point 9 at the bottom) The serial numbers should match. This racquet does not have a hologram and if you watch closely to what should be in the triangle in point 9, you'll see that my item has a fake heading that says "genuine babolat"
This is obviously fake and differs from the original too.
Feel free to analyze the inside of the triangle at point 9 and you will see that this racquet is not an original. All aspects deviate from the original
More references are:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmW7rGQ2OCo
I demand ALL my money back, including the transfer costs to send this junk back to England. I will get your account suspended and charge more money if I can. This is organized crime

2) Zijn repliek
hi
these rackets are official!!

3)ik probeer meer merkwaardigheden op te sommen

Before you spread more lies, read the article I sent you
http://www.regentville.com/2009/09/fake-babolat-aero-pro-drive-tennis.html
and confirm or deny the differences on the pictures, it takes only 3 minutes and I know you have more racquets at home.
If you deny them, I'll let a paypal coworker decide which one of us is right. I am taking this to a higher level and I will not let you get away with this so you can scam more people. You are a criminal and therefore you should be in prison.
I had expected a reply like yours, no defrauder will admit that he's setting it all up.
Before I bid for the item on ebay I asked you if it was genuine and you said yes. I said that it was strange since these racquets cost more than $240 in any tennis store. You replied with "yes I know but I have to sell quickly and that is why I start with a low price". This is strange because the material itself costs 160 euros. But I gave you the advantage of the doubt because it was 1 racquet.
After the deal you emailed me again and said that you could provide many more of these racquets for the same price, which proves that you provide these fake racquets on a large scale.
YOU ARE A PROFESSIONAL DEFRAUDER
This is organized crime and therefore I will do my best to get you punished. You know exactly what you are doing
The racquet you sent to me says "made in China" on the inside of the triangle. It doesn't even have a serial number like any genuine racquet has (point 9 of the article, watch the image)

READ THE ARTICLE, and then we'll see which one of us is right.
This is your last chance to admit that you are a cheater.
If you deny it again I will escalate this to a claim with paypal and I will contact the local police in Preston to have a closer look at this

4) Nu wordt het interessant, hij stelt zogezegd een "refund" aka vergoeding voor

hi
i am going to issue you a refund but please dont forget to send me my racket back.
thanks

5) zijn officiele voorstel

hi i am a bit new to paypal
i want to give you a refund but i have already transffered the funds so shall i just send you a payment of £90.01?
if i give you a refund by sending money then will the money be taken out of my paypal account balance or credit card?
thanks

6) Ik weiger dit voorstel

A £90 refund will not be enough since I'll have more transfer costs for sending it back.
I will have this dispute supervised very soon and I will let you know how this evolves. In case I would accept a refund, it will be more than £90 as I refuse to lose one cent in this whole fraud process.
I still have to consider whether I will take this to a higher level or not and I will let you know my decision as soon as possible

7) Hij stuurt me een bod van £95 via paypal en vraagt om het dispuut te sluiten. Of dit bod ook echt een refund is weet ik niet

hi
please close disputes

😎 mijn veiligheidsmaatregelen voor het opsturen

Before I close anything I will have to make sure that I can find a registered and traceable online company to send this item back to you for the £5 you offered on top of the original costs. I doubt if I can find a company like that. I will show you the offer when I know, if I can find it for £5 that's oke.
I have taken many digital fotos of the item and I will take them again when I'm at the post office to send it back, just to prevent further discussion. I will also make sure that the company I use will ask for your autograph at the moment of arrival. In case you're not at home, I'll let it be kept at the post office until you pick it up so you can sign it there.
I found your package on the ground at my door and I haven't had to sign any papers. Anybody could have stolen it if they wanted to. I will return this in a safer way to prevent more fraud.
If you want more safety measures, tell me right now and I will make sure it happens.
I will keep you posted

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Before we continue, are you willing to admit that you sell fake rackets on a large scale via eBay? Or do you really want me to take this to court? Because I will
Yesterday I was contacted by a second buyer of your item and he says his racquet was obviously fake too. You will face 2 claims very soon. You used the same tricks on him as a new buyer, you forced him to give early feedback just like you did to me.
Meanwhile I have let some more experienced people supervise this situation. It seems that accepting your offer is not safe for me since your credit card is probably unvalid.
Most likely I will NOT accept your offer, escalate this into a claim, contact the police in Preston and make sure you get a very serious financial penalty and hopefully a long time in prison since this is your profession.
I hope you will reveal the source of these fake items so the police can prevent more scam from your side
I will keep you posted

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Can you confirm that the £95 you just offered me officially stands as a refund? And not as a bid for an item I'm not offering?
Because people are telling me that you try to switch the roles of buyer - seller with that bid, which would give you rights you don't have.
And don't lie to me, this will be supervised.
I'm still waiting for you to officially confirm that you sell fake racquets. If you don't, I'll have this investigated immediately.
And the fact that a second buyer has also caught you cheating doesn't make this easier for you.
I'm looking forward to your reply.
Either confirm or deny that it's fake. If you deny, this will be a claim immediately.
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dispuut - gesprek met oplichter

echt prachtig hoe dit evolueert

kijk eens wat ik net van hem te lezen kreeg:

hi
the racket i sold to you was the only fake racket i had but i do not have any more if you do not believe me check my feedback from another buyer.
the money is sent to you is a refund. i promise you i will not sell any more fake rackets.
i am very poor and i am jsut trying to get a bit of money.
i know i will be punished from god for what i have done to you but please forgive me i am very sorry.
thanks

Mijn antwoord:

God will punish you indeed, and so will the police.
I checked the feedback from the other buyer just like you asked.
The buyer of that racquet emailed me yesterday evening via eBay.
He said " I HAVE ALREADY GIVEN POSITIVE FEEDBACK BECAUSE HE DEMANDED IT, BUT NOW THE RACQUET IS HERE I FOUND OUT THAT IT IS FAKE. WHAT SHOULD I DO?"
You have used the same tricks on him, pretty professional I must say. I thought you said you were a new seller? Or is your account new because your previous one was suspended?
Didn't you just say that you only had one fake racquet instead of 2?
And when you emailed me on ebay, you said that you could provide as many racquets as you wanted for the same price. I told you we would do more business if it was genuine and you agreed to sell me as many as I wanted.
This is not about a few racquets, this is organized crime and I'm pretty sure the police would be interested in the origin of your racquets
I still have that email and I will use it as evidence against you
Now, you just said that the offer of £95 you just made was a refund and not a payment.
Why does it say that you are the buyer and I am the seller?
Why haven't you registered an address for the payment?
Is it so that you can ask your £95 back by some more fraud next week?
I have made a printscreen of the payment, I have covered the names and reference numbers and it is being supervised.
Normally if it is a refund, I should receive a message that says refund, without having to accept or decline your offer.
If it turns out that you were trying to scam me again, I make sure you go to prison and I will ask for a compensation way above £95 for all the time you made me lose.
This discussion is not over yet

En nu zijn wanhoopspoging

hi
im really sorry i will refund all payments i have reiceved and remove all listings
you will never hear from me again.
im begging please spare me.
please have mercy.
i am in debt.
please sir
please
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dispuut - gesprek met oplichter

Die mail is erg goed voor paypal,hij geeft toe namaak te verkopen.
Reageer niet meer op hem en start onmiddellijk de claim.
Het gaat pay pal wat kosten,want bij die kerel geraken ze niet aan hun geld.
Aanvaard geen refund buiten paypal,want als zijn creditkaart is geblokkeerd ontvang je effectief niets .
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dispuut - gesprek met oplichter

kan ik nu meer verwachten dan die £90 die ik oorspronkelijk heb betaald? Of moet ik het niet terug sturen nu hij toegaf dat het namaak is?
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dispuut - gesprek met oplichter

Ik denk niet dat je meer kan verwachten dan wat je betaalde !
En vraag aan Paypal of je het object moet terug sturen, in geval van namaak is terugsturen misschien niet verplicht ?

m.


m.
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dispuut - gesprek met oplichter

Laat die verkoper maar gewoon op de refund link in uw originele PayPal betaling klikken, dan is alles voor elkaar.

Dit postte ik in uw andere draadje:

De verkoper kan die 95 Pond heel gemakkelijk terugsturen via de betaling die de koper heeft gedaan via PayPal. Dat heet een gedeeltelijke terugbetaling (partial refund). PayPal voorziet zelfs in een link bij de betalingsgegevens van de koper. Met één klik is dat voor elkaar.
Als de verkoper dat doet krijgt hij zelfs een gedeelte van de PayPal kosten terug.
Op die manier stuurt hij dus geen "betaling" en kan ook niets terugtrekken. 🙂


Alleen denk ik dat hij elke cent die hij via PayPal ontvangt meteen weghaalt dus dan valt er niet veel te refunden.

In dat geval gewoon een claim indienen en eventueel PayPal bellen en het hele probleem voorleggen.





Nemo me cohabitat inpuntem


Nemo me cohabitat inpuntem
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dispuut - gesprek met oplichter

de claim is ingediend, met een hele verklaring en verzoek tot aangifte bij het gerecht erbij.

Ik betaal geen transferkosten voor een fake product. Dan lever ik het liever binnen bij de politie
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